# Why AUKUS delivers second-hand subs

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Podcast: [ABC News Daily](https://stenobird.com/podcast/abc-news-daily-504641)
Published: 2026-06-03T16:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/abc-news-daily/why-aukus-delivers-second-hand-subs/106755798
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## Resource

Should we be spending up to $368 billion on nuclear powered submarines over the next 30 years? Peter Garrett, the former Labor Minister and Midnight Oil star doesn’t think so. He’s set up a crowdfunded inquiry into the AUKUS submarine deal. It follows the government revealing the original agreement has changed a bit with the US to switch out one new sub for a second hand one. Today, Sam Roggeveen, director of the Lowy Institute’s International Security Program, on the growing concerns about the deal and what we really need to defend Australia. Featured: Sam Roggeveen, director of the Lowy Institute’s International Security Program

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