# Carlton need to forget about optics and Essendon are missing their soul

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Podcast: [ABC AFL Daily](https://stenobird.com/podcast/abc-afl-daily-6883802)
Published: 2026-06-23T01:45:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/abc-afl-daily/carlton-josh-fraser-essendon-solomon-hird-st-kilda/106831534
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The Monday footy show meat-fest continues and Ben Cameron and Bob Murphy are seated at the banquet with Carlton, Essendon and St Kilda on the menu. Bob reckons Josh Fraser wants to coach Carlton and will put his hand up and in turn, Carlton can't worry about past decisions or future failures. The Bombers are hell-bent on needing an 'Essendon person', so does that narrow their search to Solomon or Hird? And St Kilda's draftees were in the crosshairs, but maybe the new group deserve 24 months to click before judgement passes. Plus, is there an umpiring issue or is the problem with the rule makers? ABC AFL commentators Corbin Middlemas and Ben Cameron are joined by a rolling squad of former AFL players and legends of the game to analyse matches, deep dive the stories dominating the footy landscape, recap game highlights and talk through the latest AFL ladder standings. Our squad of Aussie Rules legends runs deep with champion ex-players like Brett Deledio, Marc Murphy and Luke Ball, record-holding coach Mick Malthouse and many more. The team discuss everything from AFL games and fixtures, to the AFL draft and key players' performance, and of course our highlights of the year; AFL Grand Final and AFL State of Origin. For more Australian Rules Football podcast content, catch every episode of ‘The ABC AFL Daily Podcast’, hosted by Corbin Middlemas and Ben Cameron on ABC listen or wherever you get your podcasts, and get in touch with them on social media via @abc_sport

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