# Episode 7 - NDBIs

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Podcast: [ABA Beyond the Data](https://stenobird.com/podcast/aba-beyond-the-data-7489435)
Published: 2025-11-25T06:58:00+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/aba-beyond-the-data/episodes/Episode-7---NDBIs-e3bci55
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Duration seconds: 3603

## Resource

How to Purchase CEUs Go to ⁠⁠https://www.aba-ceus.com/get-ceus⁠⁠ Select the CEU episode you’d like to purchase and add it to your cart. At checkout, answer 5 Multiple Choice Questions. Complete your purchase through our secure checkout. Your CEU certificate will be emailed to you within 24–48 hours. Each submission is individually reviewed and verified, so please allow time for processing and approval. If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to us anytime. Summary: Ever feel like “good ABA” and “natural, joyful learning” are in two different worlds? This episode bridges that gap by unpacking Naturalistic Developmental Behavioral Interventions (NDBIs) in plain language—what they are, why they matter, and how they fit with the science you already use. You’ll hear how play, shared control, and real-life routines can still be deeply behavioral and data-driven, and you’ll get concrete ideas for shifting sessions away from rigid table time without losing structure. If you’ve been wondering how to make your ABA more developmental, more relational, and more sustainable for kids and families, this episode is your roadmap. Sources: Schreibman, L., Dawson, G., Stahmer, A. C., Landa, R., Rogers, S. J., McGee, G. G., et al. (2015). Naturalistic developmental behavioral interventions: Empirically validated treatments for autism spectrum disorder. Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders, 45 (8), 2411–2428. Dawson, G., Rogers, S., Munson, J., Smith, M., Winter, J., Greenson, J., Donaldson, A., & Varley, J. (2010). Randomized, controlled trial of the Early Start Denver Model: A comprehensive early intervention for toddlers with autism. Pediatrics, 125 (1), e17–e23. Vivanti, G., & Stahmer, A. (2020). Can the Early Start Denver Model be considered ABA practice? Be…

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