# Troublemaker & Civil Survival Featuring Carla Kaplan and Cody Nagle

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Podcast: [A Moment with Erik Fleming](https://stenobird.com/podcast/a-moment-with-erik-fleming-1178598)
Published: 2026-04-06T06:02:00+00:00
Episode link: https://amomentwitherikfleming.podbean.com/e/troublemaker-civil-survival/
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Duration seconds: 7107

## Resource

In this episode, Carla Kaplan, author of Troublemaker, discusses the life of Jessica Mitford and makes the case why we need troublemakers like her now. Then, Cody Nagle, staff attorney with Civil Survival, talks about her life journey and how it impacts her work to assist the formerly incarcerated.

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