# Michelle Ogundehin and Lisa St Aubin de Terán

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Podcast: [A Good Read](https://stenobird.com/podcast/a-good-read-7332172)
Published: 2025-12-01T15:53:00+00:00
Episode link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002n06h
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## Resource

Michelle Ogundehin is a broadcaster, magazine editor and author also known as a presenter on TV's Interior Design Masters. She and author Lisa St Aubin de Terán give their book recommendations. Michelle's is 4000 Weeks: Time Management For Mortals by Oliver Burkeman which she says has helped her simplify her life. Lisa chooses Small Boat by Vincent Delecroix the powerful retelling of the 2021 incident in which 27 people drowned in the English Channel attempting to make the crossing from France. It's a fictionalised account of a real event told from the perspective of the French Coastguard blamed for not taking adequate action. Harriett's choice is The Party by Tessa Hadley set in post war Bristol. Have your say on any of these books on Instagram @agoodreadbbc Producer: Maggie Ayre

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