# 232. Can Nature Have Rights? The Legal Movement Reshaping Environmentalism w/ Katie Surma

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Podcast: [A Climate Change with Matt Matern](https://stenobird.com/podcast/a-climate-change-with-matt-matern-7134409)
Published: 2026-03-13T00:18:11+00:00
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Duration seconds: 2760

## Resource

Katie Surma, reporter at Inside Climate News, joins Matt to break down the rights of nature movement — a fast-growing legal framework granting rivers, forests, and even whales legal standing — and what it means for the future of environmental protection.

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