# AI Governance That People Will Actually Follow, with Erica Shoemate

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Podcast: [A Beginner's Guide to AI](https://stenobird.com/podcast/a-beginner-s-guide-to-ai-6564486)
Published: 2026-04-30T16:01:58+00:00
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Why AI safety is the floor, not the ceiling, and how to pivot with power In this episode of Beginner’s Guide to AI, Dietmar Fischer talks with AI policy and trust & safety leader Erica Shoemate about designing and protecting systems that center around people. This is not the usual Terminator question. It is the practical, urgent one: how do we ensure AI serves the most vulnerable, what does true operational security look like, and why is no technology ever truly neutral. 🌍🛰️ Erica also shares the strategic backbone of her work, including insights from her time across the FBI, the US intelligence community, and Big Tech. The conversation moves from hard data to hard ethics: ageism and bias in AI imagery, the dangers of echo chambers, and how her "Pivot Playbook" helps individuals navigate technological disruption and career changes without panic. If you are interested in AI governance, ethical tech development, and the future of inclusive AI, this episode gives you a rare blend of practical safety thinking and rigorous strategic planning. 📧💌📧 Tune in to get my thoughts and all episodes, don't forget to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠subscribe to our Newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠: ⁠⁠⁠⁠beginnersguide.nl⁠⁠⁠⁠ 📧💌📧 About Dietmar Fischer: Dietmar is a podcaster and AI marketer from Berlin. If you want to know how to get your AI or your digital marketing going, just contact him at argoberlin.com 🎧 Chapters 00:00 Welcome and how Erica got her start in AI and national security 03:15 Why safety is the "floor" and protecting vulnerable populations 08:20 The myth of neutral technology and the danger of echo chambers 15:45 Real-world bias: ageism, imaging, and a lack of diversity in AI output 24:10 Operational security: prac…

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