# 21 in 21: Matthew Pines

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Podcast: [21 in 21](https://stenobird.com/podcast/21-in-21-7274084)
Published: 2025-08-19T11:00:27+00:00
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## Resource

Haley Berkoe talks with Matthew Pines, Executive Director of the Bitcoin Policy Institute, about bitcoin’s growing role in U.S. policy. They cover building a bitcoin community in DC, how policymakers are treating bitcoin as a strategic asset, the risks of quantum computing and AI, and why this moment feels like one of “high agency and high leverage” for bitcoiners. TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Introduction to Matt Pines and his path into bitcoin 02:10 The bitcoin scene in Washington DC 03:47 Shifting policy conversations and bitcoin as a strategic asset 05:12 Advice for bitcoiners engaging policymakers 07:06 What a bitcoin standard world could look like 09:08 Quantum computing risks and government response 13:18 Book recommendation: Global Discord by Paul Tucker 15:09 The intersection of bitcoin and AI 18:02 Dream bitcoin projects still missing in the market 19:42 Spicy take: China vs. U.S. bitcoin holdings 20:30 Optimism for bitcoin’s future and ETF adoption 23:24 Final takeaway: the power of agency 25:27 How to follow Matt and the Bitcoin Policy Institute FOLLOW: Matthew Pines: https://x.com/matthew_pines Bitcoin Policy Institute: https://x.com/btcpolicyorg Haley Berkoe: https://x.com/HBerkoe Presidio Bitcoin: https://x.com/PresidioBitcoin LINKS: Insights from the Quantum Bitcoin Summit https://presidiobitcoin.substack.com/p/insights-from-the-quantum-bitcoin Bitcoin Plushie: https://www.uncute.com/collections/everything-else/products/here-comes-bitcoin WATCH THE SHOW: https://www.youtube.com/@PresidioBitcoin

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