# 21 in 21: Erik Cativo

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Podcast: [21 in 21](https://stenobird.com/podcast/21-in-21-7274084)
Published: 2025-10-15T14:43:16+00:00
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## Resource

During Bitcoin Design Week at Presidio Bitcoin, product designer and HRF grantee Erik Cativo joined the show to talk about designing the future of money. We get into his experiments with ecash and bitchat, the magic of bump-to-pay interactions, and how thoughtful UX can make bitcoin feel intuitive, private, and fun. Erik also shares lessons from living in a nearly cashless society, ideas for building “throw-cash” experiences inside apps like Cash App, and why anyone can help design better bitcoin products simply by giving feedback. FOLLOW: Erik Cativo: https://x.com/uxerik_ , https://www.erik.day/ Haley Berkoe: https://x.com/HBerkoe Presidio Bitcoin: https://x.com/PresidioBitcoin WATCH THE SHOW: https://www.youtube.com/@PresidioBitcoin

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