# 21 in 21: Clara Shikhelman

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Podcast: [21 in 21](https://stenobird.com/podcast/21-in-21-7274084)
Published: 2025-07-02T19:49:45+00:00
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## Resource

Haley Berkoe met with Clara Shikhelman, the Head of Research at Chaincode Labs. Clara has been researching complex mathematical problems for nearly a decade and is currently focusing on the Lightning Network and bitcoin in the age of post-quantum computing. Episode highlights include: * Her goals with the quantum computing report: provide an overview of the current status and future direction, reduce FUD, and clarify what actually matters. * A call for cryptographers to engage with bitcoin and read the whitepaper. * The need for bitcoin to have a more user-friendly experience and tools that are as simple to use as Venmo. * Excitement about new developers entering the space through the Chaincode BOSS program https://learning.chaincode.com/ * Advice to researchers: follow interesting questions rather than adhering to traditional academic paths. FOLLOW: Clara Shikhelman: @ClaraShik, https://x.com/ClaraShik Chaincode Labs: @ChaincodeLabs, https://x.com/ChaincodeLabs Haley Berkoe: @HBerkoe, https://x.com/HBerkoe Presidio Bitcoin: @PresidioBitcoin, https://x.com/PresidioBitcoin Watch the podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@PresidioBitcoin This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit presidiobitcoin.substack.com

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