# 21 in 21: Ben Carman

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Podcast: [21 in 21](https://stenobird.com/podcast/21-in-21-7274084)
Published: 2025-06-26T05:05:50+00:00
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Duration seconds: 1313

## Resource

Haley Berkoe met with Ben Carman, who recently joined the Spiral team to work on the Lightning Development Kit and LDK-related projects. Previously he was at Taproot Wizards and Mutiny, a non-custodial Lightning wallet. Episode highlights include: - Ben’s new focus areas at Spiral. - His bitcoin journey, which started with a comedy podcast and Andreas Antonopoulos's videos. - Ben’s concerns about the bitcoin community's lack of emphasis on real-world payments. - He stresses the need for next-generation Lightning and self-custodial wallets, warning that without proper infrastructure, bitcoin risks being seen merely as a banking asset. - Shoutouts to Rockstar Dev and folks in the Austin bitcoin community, such as Buck Pearly, Jack Lesser, and Rod from Bitcoin Park. - Advice for newcomers: do everything you can to learn, contribute, and enhance visibility in the community. FOLLOW: Ben Carman: @benthecarman, https://x.com/benthecarman Spiral: @spiralbtc, https://x.com/spiralbtc Haley Berkoe: @HBerkoe, https://x.com/HBerkoe Presidio Bitcoin: @PresidioBitcoin, https://x.com/PresidioBitcoin WATCH THE SHOW: https://www.youtube.com/@PresidioBitcoin This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit presidiobitcoin.substack.com

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